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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 09/07/2008 14:25:24
CSM Meeting 7. July 13 2008. 18:00 Hours Eve Time.
Agenda:
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
1. Response from CCP on future live meeting timescales
2. Response from replacement Alternates (+invitation to channel/mailing list)
CSM Raised ISSUEs (to be submitted in templated form to CSM mailing list by 18:00 hours Friday 11th July.)
1. tba
2. tba
3. tba
4. tba
5. tba
6. tba
7. tba
8. tba
9. tba
POPULAR Issue (Biggest unaddressed Assembly Hall Issue û will be added after CSM raised ISSUEs.)
1. tba
AOB (Any other business) (additions can be submitted prior 18:00 hours Friday 11th July)
1. tba
2. tba
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All CSM delegates and Alternates are invited to attend.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Bane Glorious
The Crane needs a powergrid increase
No problems Bane, please make sure we get the submission doc for the ISSUE on the internal mailing list by tomorrow evening 18:00 as well though. All the best.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.13 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 13/07/2008 18:29:03
Tonights meeting canceled (we couldn't get seven members+alternates to make up the quorum.)
Jade, Bane, LaVista, Dierdra Val, Serenity Steel were in attendance.
Meeting seven rescheduled for 16:00 hours July 20th.
Once again all members+alternates (Including Arithron now as a replacement alternate) are welcome to attend.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.15 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 15/07/2008 15:52:49
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Edited by: Jinx Barker on 15/07/2008 15:43:13
Originally by: LaVista Vista
I already explained this to you in another thread.
We actually voted on this issue and it was brought onto Iceland. But a mistake was made when the issues were sent to CCP, which means it was not discussed at Iceland.
Could you please point me to the statement, and if mistake was made, and it was not discussed, shouldn't you follow up with CCP - and get assurances that despite the mistake they are indeed "officially" taking it under advisement.
Again, I did not see any statement from you or any other CSM, in the recent days - this is first time I am seeing you reply, and I have been pushing this since I saw the issue missing from the Minutes....
Edit:
Again, I tried locating a statement by you, or any other CSM regarding the issue - and I have failed to do so, so please point me there. The other statement still stands, if a mistake was made, when the issues were sent to CCP, what kind of mistake? Was it just an oversight and CCP is working on it/taking it under advisement, or does the "mistake" mean that CCP can ignore it, since it was not officially inaugurated by CSM to CCP.
I can remember saying something about this too. We voted on the issue to take to Iceland and for some reason it wasn't listed on the minutes when we were at the face to face meeting. I'm still not sure why. At the time we resolved to just add it to the submitted issues for the 2nd meeting in august and ask for developer feedback once again. I think a lot of responses have been buried in the enormous Assembly hall spam is the main problem. Bottom line - this issue SHOULD have been raised in Iceland and I'm not sure why it wasn't. In any case we'll ensure its submitted with the ISSUEs for the 2nd meeting. There it is Jinx, not sure what else we can do bar that.
(It doesn't need to go before the CSM again btw, we already voted it onto the formal agenda and there's no need to waste time discussing it again. We will just add it straight to the list of issues for submission again.)
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.15 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
This is fine then, I understand that things might get lost and might get mixed up. What really bothered me is that it took me so many days to actually hear from you guys while shouting in three separate threads.
The spammed Assembly hall is the major problem I think - like I said I'm pretty sure I already said there'd been a problem with this Issue and for some reason it hadn't gotten on the agenda but I have no idea how to find that post either with the noise ratio in that forum ... But anyways hopefully it'll be good for the next meeting.
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So, basically, issue was submitted to CCP, as far as you and CSM are concerned they - the CCP - are working on it. And in August you will let us know what is going on? Correct?
For some reason it didn't appear on CCP's list of submitted issues so they had no chance to get substantive feedback for the Iceland meeting. We need to make sure it DEFINITELY appears on their list next time around and gives the appropriate developers the neccessary time to reply substantively to the ISSUE - its a major (visionary) game change of the sort we've been invited to submit and its going to need a serious assessment from the appropriate ccp staff. Fingers crossed all goes well for August and we'll get appropriate feedback from the 2nd formal meeting.
All the best.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.18 18:00:00 -
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updated the op with additional agenda items (CSM please check mailing list for submission docs associated with these).
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.20 20:07:00 -
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CSM Meeting 7 chatlog is viewable here
1. The Crane needs a powergrid increase - Escalation Approved
2. Nighthawk is terrible - needs a powergrid increase - Escalation Approved
3. Improved Wardec Support Functionality in FW - Escalation Denied
4. Rigged ships into Cargo - please allow this - Escalation Approved
5. Dynamic Agent Qualities - Escalation Approved
6. FW impact on Eve Storyline - Escalation Approved
7. Local Chat as intel tool - Escalation Denied
8. Un-nerf the Bio Lengh! - Escalation Approved
9. Gallente EWAR ships need a boost - Escalation Approved
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.20 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 20/07/2008 22:44:05
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 20/07/2008 22:32:10
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Waste of space
Let me get this straight.
Dynamic agents, FW storyline, and the especially bio length is considered by you-the CSM-to be of the utmost importance.
And yet the stupidity of local as an intel tool is not worthy. Too hot a potato for you guys? Not even a hint of improved scanner functionality perhaps leading to a replacement "intel tool" for the lazy pilots that can't be asked to learn how to use the scanner?
Aside from giving Gallente Recons the love they deserve-or at least "escalating" (whatever the hell that means)...allow me to present you a golf clap for ignoring real items of interest for those who actually play EvE as opposed to yapping about it.
Exactly how much longer do EvE pilots have to put up with you and the majority of your fellow CSM reps catering to your own individual agenda's and preferences?
It's time's like this where I seriously contemplate paying for my game via ISK-for-GTC as opposed to my current sub via cc. At least I wouldn't be subsidizing stupid free trips to Iceland on my friggin dime  .
**EDIT**By all means continue to ignore threads like:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=797078
And all other sensible discussions/suggestions that seem to have a lot more approval/interest than what you currently consider important. I mean...ya'll can't be asked to even respond it seems eh? Even a negative response with your reasons is better than pretending they don't exist.
How about you go read the actual chatlog and see who voted which way on those issues before accusing people of being a "waste of space." ?
For the record I consider the local chat removal to be a very important issue and I was very disappointed that the CSM chose to vote it down today.
End of the day though I have one vote from 9 and I'm not going to get my way on every issue.
I suggest you discover which CSM's voted against and send them eve-mails in-game (or call them out on the forums or whatever) and suggest they change their minds.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.07.21 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Further waste of bandwidth
I'll return when you (and fellow CSM members) actually have something useful to say regarding game play in a "cold, harsh, unforgiving environment".
I'm not holding my breath. Put that in your hoped-for expanded bio.
I am also fully expecting to see this thread locked and deleted for daring to ask questions and challenge the CSM to actually be useful regarding game play.
You know what RuleoftheBone, its a real shame you aren't prepared to run for CSM office yourself because I'd actually love to see you win a seat and get told face to face by the rest of the committee to stop acting like a whinging prat and try bring some actual adult discussion to the table.
Grow up and treat people with a bit of respect and then you'll deserve some in return.
Star Fraction | Dare to Dream!
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